¿La Ley de Transparencia dificultará la corrupción que ha proliferado en los últimos años?
MODERADO POR:Juan González Ibañez Madrid22 MAR 2012 - 20:13 CET
Does the Law of Transparency hinder the corruption that has proliferated in recent years?
スペインの情報公開法は、近年、はびこっている"汚職"を一掃できるか? 討論会
MODERATED BY: Juan Gonzalez Ibañez Madrid 22 MAR 2012 - 20:13 CET
The Council of Ministers is expected to approve today the Transparency Bill, which will force to facilitate the access of citizens to all contracts of the Central Government. Each ministry will have to disclose the contract approval process, the amount and the contractor, as well as grants and agreements signed, among other data.
Rajoy publish all contracts, grants and government salaries
Rajoy publish all contracts, grants and government salaries
If you lose it is because he wants to. Do not blame others for their own limitations. With plenty to spend, is the usual attempt to be an actor but not useless. In my case at least. No insults or scorn those who want it who can. And is not the case. Thanks again for your interest in wasting time with me but with anonymous as if all I do is to thank (obviously, if dedicated to waste their time like you should give another answer).2 hours
Jordi Palafox
Honestly, all the last comments sound to me like heavenly music without any practical effect What happens if the information is not sent?. What if it's getting late when it is not possible to repair the damage done? How are you going to realize what a waste? Everything seems pure play of fireworks before Sunday's election. For what has happened to the late payment of administration?. The Valencian, which is what I know best, has announced it will pay you do not know since when, and there is no consequence of not complying. The response of the social fabric, indicating Ignacio Muro, it seems interesting but unlikely to take place. Here it is not changed in the slowness of justice, because the administration is not interested, and while those who do not pay, there is no solution. What we have is that of "long credit you give me" that is a perverse incentive for legislators but have no interest in changing. It's like the debt that pay others (young people above can not vote).3 hours
Joan Navarroiguardans
I agree with Ignaci, is an important law, which for short stays, follow the path initiated by previous laws (like the "Code of Good Governance of Government" adopted in 2004). I also agree with some of the skeptics, because in terms of avoiding corruption laws but not much help, because we have laws, many of them quite hard, and corruption as well. Indeed with many corrupt in jail, a sign that all is not bad, but, well, well either. One of the key themes of the draft will be public access to information (being added) we have placed in the public administrations. In the draft into a socialist effort to open important and difficult, we hope that the draft PP to maintain and increase this basic right in democracy. I would also like (and this is because of my own) see the first steps to regulate the activity of "stakeholders" rather than support, but I think requires a positive regulation in line with European legislation. As Gil Calvo says "wait and see."4 hours
Ignatius Walliguardans
It's funny what you say, Ignasi. A Great Transparency Act to prevent small abuses of "honorable", a corruption, cronyism ... ie, making petty people. Garn for corruption, that is, to the great problem of ete country, which is located in the elite, will not do. Then write, with many tiny this law, we lower its smoke, which seems destined to draw focus to the great corrupters and focus everything on the official foul, right?5 hours
Ignasi Guardans
The adoption of the Law of Transparency is perhaps one of the more fundamental political news in Spain a few years. Earrings in many important details that only know after parliamentary procedure (what is excluded? What time disclosed the information?), Can be a radical change in Spanish public administration. If the text is as expected, not prevent the massive corruption, because that is disguised and concealed. But it will make it harder petty corruption, the corruption, cronyism, abuse of small "honored" that multiplied by far also pose a significant cost. And not just about money. The law must serve to shed more light on decisions with enormous political significance in that sometimes throw the stone and hide the hand, such as whether a particular measure (whatever) was an imposition of Brussels, where often that's a lie. Or are decisions that the government itself has voted (without light or stenographers) in Brussels. Is welcome, then, this law if their letter corresponds to what was promised.6 hours
Esther Bendahan
The transparency law was necessary, late, making it difficult to corruption is the application of justice, there are several open cases that must be exemplary and deterrent, but should reflect what happens to you are imposing on our country a culture that allows the proliferation of corruption.7 hours
Enrique Gil Calvo
Remember the popular saying: seeing is believing. For the future Law of Transparency (LT) the same thing until we see how their practical application requires preventive skepticism. For the record is quite disappointing. Not only for the Latin culture of opacity concerned (see the black economy, black money, double parallel accounting, etc), but by congenital defects of our government (jealous guardians of the 'arcana imperil'), by habits of our political class (since the transition was agreed under the table in the shade) and especially when the previous PP has engaged in power (and now it is taking in its entirety, with no power limiter contraprese arrogance) . But that said, we must not put the band before the injury. Let's take a vote of confidence in Rajoy (or his "workmanship" Saenz de Santamaria), because from liego initiative is undoubtedly positive. And we'll see later how it works. So wait and see.7 hours
Ignatius Walljordipalafox
You're right George, but this is, or should be, a law means rather than ends. His touchstone is not a text file detailing the new civil rights info, but how does the access roads and detailing procedures to access each document. Should focus on organizing the portals where all data should overturn existing laws to ensure they are available for citizens. Theoretically it is the technology for transparency. You're right that this requires an active citizen for the pressure of many to become a force for social control. But as important is access to aggregated data (budget monitoring, expenditure trends in health, financing parties ...) with the highest possible breakdown, is the organized social fabric (parties, organizations, associations ... ) which should detect their lies and shortcomings.7 hours
Jordi Palafox
Is attributed to Count Romanones, stating that it had not thankless task for a politician who frequent the atmosphere of extreme vulgarity of his fellow, that of "law and then you leave it all to me the rules." Latino political cultures are characterized by legislating a lot and meet some laws. There are the government debts despite laws against default (2004 and 2010). Not to mention the systematic violation of pollution standards including acoustics. Just note that it took 30 years to publish a regulation of the first tax bill of the twentieth century. When not given the means to fulfill the law of transparency is another example of those used in the formation of Anglo-Saxon elites on Latino cultures. But this is only part of the problem. The other citizen is convinced that politicians are going to pull the chestnuts out of fire. And no. Or are we the citizens who demand or demands democratizing elites will not move the bid for themselves. And we do not seem to work.9 hours ago
Ignatius Wall
More industry transparency, par excellence, are the media but there is nothing more difficult to track the traceability of a story and identify the interests and justify the cross. In France, two of the largest publishers grups, Lagardere and Dassault, are connected to the arms industry. In the U.S., two major TV channels, CBS and NBC, belong to groups connected to the nuclear industry, Westinghouse and GE. All this comes to hair that transparency law will be effective if there are journalists who work and research data. A new specialty (called data journalism) aims to take advantage investigating these spaces ... But someone has to pay. The independent citizen can track your case but only powerful organizations can interconnect records and deepen their consequences. We must combat any fiction of transparency can not come in the main.19 hours
Ignatius Wallenguita
The struggle for transparency is an essential part of deepening democracy. The vectors move pro-transparency but also imposed opacity. All indications are to be shared spaces. The global financial network is opaque and will remain so, markets and industry of public-private arms are opaque and will remain so. And therein lies the power. But officials must better measure where they put the signature if a record can be traced. Transparency in Government Procurement ls the start and follow Obama and Lula Cameron, among others. In the United States are accessible even visits from lobbyists to senators and congressmen. How credible is this initiative of the PP, a paradigm of implementing institutions, as you say, Mariano? We'll see. For now, may serve to show dirt the previous government. Hard to believe that while loading independent regulatory institutions, such as NEC and CMT, and centralized in the Government all the power, display transparent in their decisions.19 hours
Mariano Fernandez Enguita
Rajoy promised this law in 100 days and will meet, while the PSOE did it in two election campaigns and failed in as many mandates. But we will see the content. The refusal of the Generalitat Valenciana to publish contracts with the plot Gurtel not a great precedent, but the PSOE I said why not in a position to cast the first stone-now question the cost of the video on labor reform. Access-info did a comparison of socialist and popular projects: http://goo.gl/bwWH0. Let me show me skeptical, because if something does not bear the CP is an instrumental vision of institutions, whether in government (remember the placement of friends in public enterprises privatized concessions radios) and the opposition (block TC , etc.). The country itself is not very fond of transparency: see the reluctance of teachers to the assessment, the parsimony of the Trib. Accounts or no official figures on the results of union elections. Still, the transparency of the institutions will be a growing clamor.19 hours
José Santamarta
Perhaps, but there is hesitation. Moreover PP's electoral propaganda, such as video to defend the dismissal disguised as cheap labor reform. If the PP wants to explain something, should clarify the hiring of Ivan Rosa Vallejo, husband of Vice President Santamaria, a case similar to the multiple Prospedal husband's advice, and many leaders of the PP. The PP not to hire family members, and we want to sell above the opposite of what he does. They filled the mouth with ERES, a nasty case involving the PSOE, and says nothing of the beams in our own eye, and Jaume Matas. We will see in that is, once past the election.20 hours ago
Jordi Palafox
Honestly, all the last comments sound to me like heavenly music without any practical effect What happens if the information is not sent?. What if it's getting late when it is not possible to repair the damage done? How are you going to realize what a waste? Everything seems pure play of fireworks before Sunday's election. For what has happened to the late payment of administration?. The Valencian, which is what I know best, has announced it will pay you do not know since when, and there is no consequence of not complying. The response of the social fabric, indicating Ignacio Muro, it seems interesting but unlikely to take place. Here it is not changed in the slowness of justice, because the administration is not interested, and while those who do not pay, there is no solution. What we have is that of "long credit you give me" that is a perverse incentive for legislators but have no interest in changing. It's like the debt that pay others (young people above can not vote).3 hours
Joan Navarroiguardans
I agree with Ignaci, is an important law, which for short stays, follow the path initiated by previous laws (like the "Code of Good Governance of Government" adopted in 2004). I also agree with some of the skeptics, because in terms of avoiding corruption laws but not much help, because we have laws, many of them quite hard, and corruption as well. Indeed with many corrupt in jail, a sign that all is not bad, but, well, well either. One of the key themes of the draft will be public access to information (being added) we have placed in the public administrations. In the draft into a socialist effort to open important and difficult, we hope that the draft PP to maintain and increase this basic right in democracy. I would also like (and this is because of my own) see the first steps to regulate the activity of "stakeholders" rather than support, but I think requires a positive regulation in line with European legislation. As Gil Calvo says "wait and see."4 hours
Ignatius Walliguardans
It's funny what you say, Ignasi. A Great Transparency Act to prevent small abuses of "honorable", a corruption, cronyism ... ie, making petty people. Garn for corruption, that is, to the great problem of ete country, which is located in the elite, will not do. Then write, with many tiny this law, we lower its smoke, which seems destined to draw focus to the great corrupters and focus everything on the official foul, right?5 hours
Ignasi Guardans
The adoption of the Law of Transparency is perhaps one of the more fundamental political news in Spain a few years. Earrings in many important details that only know after parliamentary procedure (what is excluded? What time disclosed the information?), Can be a radical change in Spanish public administration. If the text is as expected, not prevent the massive corruption, because that is disguised and concealed. But it will make it harder petty corruption, the corruption, cronyism, abuse of small "honored" that multiplied by far also pose a significant cost. And not just about money. The law must serve to shed more light on decisions with enormous political significance in that sometimes throw the stone and hide the hand, such as whether a particular measure (whatever) was an imposition of Brussels, where often that's a lie. Or are decisions that the government itself has voted (without light or stenographers) in Brussels. Is welcome, then, this law if their letter corresponds to what was promised.6 hours
Esther Bendahan
The transparency law was necessary, late, making it difficult to corruption is the application of justice, there are several open cases that must be exemplary and deterrent, but should reflect what happens to you are imposing on our country a culture that allows the proliferation of corruption.7 hours
Enrique Gil Calvo
Remember the popular saying: seeing is believing. For the future Law of Transparency (LT) the same thing until we see how their practical application requires preventive skepticism. For the record is quite disappointing. Not only for the Latin culture of opacity concerned (see the black economy, black money, double parallel accounting, etc), but by congenital defects of our government (jealous guardians of the 'arcana imperil'), by habits of our political class (since the transition was agreed under the table in the shade) and especially when the previous PP has engaged in power (and now it is taking in its entirety, with no power limiter contraprese arrogance) . But that said, we must not put the band before the injury. Let's take a vote of confidence in Rajoy (or his "workmanship" Saenz de Santamaria), because from liego initiative is undoubtedly positive. And we'll see later how it works. So wait and see.7 hours
Ignatius Walljordipalafox
You're right George, but this is, or should be, a law means rather than ends. His touchstone is not a text file detailing the new civil rights info, but how does the access roads and detailing procedures to access each document. Should focus on organizing the portals where all data should overturn existing laws to ensure they are available for citizens. Theoretically it is the technology for transparency. You're right that this requires an active citizen for the pressure of many to become a force for social control. But as important is access to aggregated data (budget monitoring, expenditure trends in health, financing parties ...) with the highest possible breakdown, is the organized social fabric (parties, organizations, associations ... ) which should detect their lies and shortcomings.7 hours
Jordi Palafox
Is attributed to Count Romanones, stating that it had not thankless task for a politician who frequent the atmosphere of extreme vulgarity of his fellow, that of "law and then you leave it all to me the rules." Latino political cultures are characterized by legislating a lot and meet some laws. There are the government debts despite laws against default (2004 and 2010). Not to mention the systematic violation of pollution standards including acoustics. Just note that it took 30 years to publish a regulation of the first tax bill of the twentieth century. When not given the means to fulfill the law of transparency is another example of those used in the formation of Anglo-Saxon elites on Latino cultures. But this is only part of the problem. The other citizen is convinced that politicians are going to pull the chestnuts out of fire. And no. Or are we the citizens who demand or demands democratizing elites will not move the bid for themselves. And we do not seem to work.9 hours ago
Ignatius Wall
More industry transparency, par excellence, are the media but there is nothing more difficult to track the traceability of a story and identify the interests and justify the cross. In France, two of the largest publishers grups, Lagardere and Dassault, are connected to the arms industry. In the U.S., two major TV channels, CBS and NBC, belong to groups connected to the nuclear industry, Westinghouse and GE. All this comes to hair that transparency law will be effective if there are journalists who work and research data. A new specialty (called data journalism) aims to take advantage investigating these spaces ... But someone has to pay. The independent citizen can track your case but only powerful organizations can interconnect records and deepen their consequences. We must combat any fiction of transparency can not come in the main.19 hours
Ignatius Wallenguita
The struggle for transparency is an essential part of deepening democracy. The vectors move pro-transparency but also imposed opacity. All indications are to be shared spaces. The global financial network is opaque and will remain so, markets and industry of public-private arms are opaque and will remain so. And therein lies the power. But officials must better measure where they put the signature if a record can be traced. Transparency in Government Procurement ls the start and follow Obama and Lula Cameron, among others. In the United States are accessible even visits from lobbyists to senators and congressmen. How credible is this initiative of the PP, a paradigm of implementing institutions, as you say, Mariano? We'll see. For now, may serve to show dirt the previous government. Hard to believe that while loading independent regulatory institutions, such as NEC and CMT, and centralized in the Government all the power, display transparent in their decisions.19 hours
Mariano Fernandez Enguita
Rajoy promised this law in 100 days and will meet, while the PSOE did it in two election campaigns and failed in as many mandates. But we will see the content. The refusal of the Generalitat Valenciana to publish contracts with the plot Gurtel not a great precedent, but the PSOE I said why not in a position to cast the first stone-now question the cost of the video on labor reform. Access-info did a comparison of socialist and popular projects: http://goo.gl/bwWH0. Let me show me skeptical, because if something does not bear the CP is an instrumental vision of institutions, whether in government (remember the placement of friends in public enterprises privatized concessions radios) and the opposition (block TC , etc.). The country itself is not very fond of transparency: see the reluctance of teachers to the assessment, the parsimony of the Trib. Accounts or no official figures on the results of union elections. Still, the transparency of the institutions will be a growing clamor.19 hours
José Santamarta
Perhaps, but there is hesitation. Moreover PP's electoral propaganda, such as video to defend the dismissal disguised as cheap labor reform. If the PP wants to explain something, should clarify the hiring of Ivan Rosa Vallejo, husband of Vice President Santamaria, a case similar to the multiple Prospedal husband's advice, and many leaders of the PP. The PP not to hire family members, and we want to sell above the opposite of what he does. They filled the mouth with ERES, a nasty case involving the PSOE, and says nothing of the beams in our own eye, and Jaume Matas. We will see in that is, once past the election.20 hours ago
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