スペインのマドリッド自治州政府の大統領の財政削減政策の弁
IGNACIO GONZÁLEZ | presidente de madrid
“Si no nos hubieran quitado mil millones, no habríamos hecho ajustes”
Asegura que no quiere hacer recortes ni privatizaciones, pero que la falta de dinero le obliga
Afirma que la región crece más que el resto de autonomías gracias a una presión fiscal reducida
Vicente G. Olaya / José Marcos Madrid 2 MAY 2013 - 11:45 CET
IGNACIO GONZALEZ | madrid president
"If we had not been removed billion, we would not have made adjustments"
Ensure you do not want to make cuts or privatization, but that lack of money forced him
He claims that the region is growing faster than the rest of autonomy thanks to a reduced tax burden
Vincent G. Olaya / José Marcos Madrid 2 MAY 2013 - 11:45 CET
Ignacio González (Madrid, 1960) is president of the Community of Madrid for seven months when Esperanza Aguirre left the regional government by surprise. He faces a severe economic crisis that has forced him, he says, to privatize services and cutting benefits. He complains that the State still different yardsticks among those who meet the deficit and those without.
Question. Have you come at a bad time for President of the regional government?
Answer. You have to manage what you get. The situation is complicated, yes.
P. What is the hardest decision you have taken?
R. Often, in these times of crisis, the austerity measures force you to make decisions that you wish you would not be so hard. The responsibility is to ensure sustainable public services, structures and streamline our management costs and allows us to leave as before the crisis.
P. And when will that be? The State recently acknowledged that GDP will decrease by 1.5%.
"If the state's economy will fall by 1.5%, in Madrid will drop to 0.8%"
R. The situation is bad, but fortunately in Madrid is much better because we started in 2008 to take action. That allowed us to have a positive economic growth figures until the end of last year. He could not remain positive for the volume of strikes and demonstrations that were given. If they had produced, last year we grew two-tenths decrease rather than three tenths. Our forecasts for this year are that if the state's economy will fall by 1.5%, in Madrid falls to 0.8%. We are six points and a half below the national unemployment rate.
P. They blame the state of having to privatize the management of six hospitals.
R. I think the management model is not what matters for the purposes of receiving the public service. When we talk about health provision, what citizens want is to be given the catalog of services they are entitled to receive the highest possible quality and no cost. We will give the same quality or better, the same range of services at no cost. All that happens is that we will enter a management formula that allows us to be more efficient. That means there are six hospitals will be managed by healthcare companies. But going to remain public, and citizens will not notice any difference.
P. They stressed that there is going to extend this model.
R. The estimates we have are that we can make sustainable health spending in the Community with the same level of services. As we believe that the situation will improve over the next year, our forecast is that it is not necessary to introduce more measures.
P. The capita, the price paid annually to the dealership Administration per capita, will be 484 euros on average. In November said it cost 440 euros per patient healthcare hospital Valdemoro model that have been based, compared with 600 euros one governance model.
R. What we have done is to adjust the head with data from 2011 and 2012. It is the reference that we have to take the specifications of the six hospitals we spoke.
Ignacio Gonzalez, at the headquarters of the regional government. / GORKA LEJARCEGI
P. But they are almost 60 million euros, is a boom.
R. I return to the same, take as reference the actual expenditure has occurred.
P. The Government insists that the dealerships hire all staff, but does not require any continued satisfactory and acting, which are 60% of the workforce.
R. The job of these people is guaranteed and probably economic conditions. In general, the vast majority of workers' concerns are reflected in the specifications.
"We have no plans to outsource the management of most hospitals"
P. Do not go to work longer hours for the same or less money?
R. The staff is going to take the new company and will manage as it sees fit, but negotiating with workers.
P. So much trouble to save 143 million, more than 28 concessionaires pay rent?
R. Maybe they seem very few 170 million euros, but are 30,000 million pesetas. Given that we need to reduce health spending this year at 600 million, we are talking about a quarter of over 25%. I think that's too much money.
P. Why there have been so few deals for outpatients? The original figure of 27 have reduced it to four.
R. Not yet submitted any.
P. So no one is interested?
R. I think it's going to be, what happens is that we have not started the process. First we got a decree to regulate the entities and the characteristics of the companies that you can present to the management of primary schools, then we will issue a decree with the operating conditions and then we will launch the contest. So far we do not know if there will be many or few bids. All I hope is that health professionals that have an interest, which is something we have detected more or less, to enter the management of these centers as is the case in Catalonia.
P. Do you agree on what the health minister said that if they had received the billion financing system would not have taken the decision to privatize the management of six hospitals?
R. This funding model, unjust and imposed by [Jose Luis Rodriguez] Zapatero to harm Madrid, we removed billion revenue this year, which make us the only community they remove money [except Baleares, with 15 million ] because the rest of improvement. Obviously some of the austerity measures would not have done. We could have had sufficient income to maintain services with the same level of spending.
P. But now Rajoy, Zapatero not, in front of Spain.
R. The model has a validity period during which you have to apply, unfortunately not. The model ends this year and the commitment made at the Conference of Presidents [on October 2] is modified.
P. Since last summer are fighting to change the current model implementation starting in 2013.
R. We ask that since the funding system in Madrid caused special damage, this injustice was corrected in the 2013 budget. The State has understood that it was not possible. Now as touching the funding model review, we can go to one that this injustice is corrected.
P. Have you paid the hazing? Aguirre resigned on September 17, you will be named president by the end of that month, formed a new regional government and in less than a month had to prepare the 2013 budget.
R. I can not say that because I paid no hazing nine years in the Government of the Community, I've been vice president since then and therefore, I know the reality of the Community of Madrid. If the funding model that had not been denouncing tax as Zapatero did, we would not have had the need to reduce spending so important that we had to do in this budget.
P. What do you think the deficit is studying the letter that the Ministry of Finance?
Ignacio Gonzalez, during the interview. / GORKA LEJARCEGI
R. It seems wrong, I think the deficit target is a target state corresponding to all public authorities and therefore everyone should contribute to that goal. I believe that establishing distinct deficits more difficult to meet that goal. If the aim is that the deficit is wider in those communities that have not met the previous deficit targets, compared with those who have fulfilled their commitments and, therefore, have been subjected to greater tension settings, I seems that it is not acceptable or reasonable. The deficit target for communities must be the same, if for any reason, the State believes that some flexibility should be introduced, will be at the expense of the deficit than the assigned communities.
P. That is, the State.
R. Indeed.
P. Somehow, Madrid seems resigned to go to enter the deficit variable. You accept it as an exceptional measure for this exercise.
"We need to reduce health care costs by 600 million euros"
R. I am not resigned to anything. The position of the Community of Madrid has always been the same. Also, this has to the agreement reached at the Conference of Presidents, which approved if expanding the deficit target would be shared between the State and the Autonomous Communities. Nobody raised or agreed a deficit to the letter, but simply a deal between the state and the regions. That's what was ratified at the Council of Fiscal and Financial Policy: establish a working group to see the cast of the deficit. It still defending that the deficit target should be the same for all regions. Again, establishing different deficits is tricky because if it benefits the least satisfied with respect to fulfilling the message that is being sent is a terrible message, which is to encourage non-compliance. Which is not the objective of the Government, I'm sure. So I think that's not going to be the position set by the Government. If you believe that you have to help a community that is in a worse situation, it seems to me well, but will be done within the framework of the overall deficit of the state.
P. How are the two budgets in a month? One with a billion more and another billion less.
R. Viewing what is the revenue performance, what are the costs involved and, on the uncommitted, which can be reduced to balance the budget and meet the deficit target. It's that simple. We are making an almost monthly tracking every expenditure and revenue in different areas of management. Let's see what the evolution and because of that we make decisions, like any other company.
P. With a billion more, what had not trimmed?
R. With a billion more, which we would not have done is probably a series of adjustments as big as we did. There are some things that we have reduced, or eliminated, we could have kept under the same conditions.
P. What?
R. The problem is not what to keep and what not to keep. We have kept the whole structure of essential social spending. Hence we have not taken anything. We keep all health benefits, all welfare benefits, all compulsory education provision ... All that is guaranteed budgets.
P. Go up it has ruled out tax?
R. Totally.
P. Do you think that the economy would stop if I did?
"I have ruled out fully the possibility of raising taxes"
R. Madrid not only do not need to raise taxes, but our fiscal policy is achieving economic activity in Madrid is much higher than in the rest of Spain. We generate 63% of economic activity, taxation in Madrid is very well articulated to cause what we want: high revenues with a high rate of economic activity that allows us to generate income. Madrid has six and a half million inhabitants and five points less fiscal pressure Catalonia, and entered 700 million euros, when Catalonia has a million more.
P. Have you thought about selling some of the properties of the Community?
R. In our revenue plan there are many measures for the sale of assets.
P. Alone in equity? Any in particular any public company?
R. We sold some small public company, sold in some ITV day, some company's transport and logistics sector, we have some other sale ... Anything we can sell from a business standpoint is also in the sales package. But fundamentally we are selling all that from the point of view of national accounting allows us to generate income to be applied to the expenses. Anything that does not allow us to apply it to current spending does not solve the needs we have to fund the costs. We have to give priority to those sales that are directed to finance public spending.
P. What do you think that there are other PP barons brought to Madrid as a tax haven?
R. Tax haven?? Why? We have a tax structure similar to that of the other ... We have subsidized the inheritance tax, the donations, capital transfers ... These fiscal measures have led in recent years have placed in the pockets of the locals are 18,000 million that provide a major economic activity in our region. That explains for example that we have a lower unemployment rate and higher income than other regions.
P. That money, according to IU, returns to the pockets of locals unevenly.
R. Gregory Gordon [spokesperson for Izquierda Unida] is not very aware of tax policy or tax result. When we have one point in the regional section of income tax are benefiting three million-odd respondents. I mean, everyone. This benefit is especially average incomes, most are not those big cities that says Mr. Gordo. When bonificamos inheritance and gifts, we prioritize those, whatever their status, who give their children, they inherit from their parents. None of them have to pay more than 1% of fiscal control. When bonificamos capital transfers, what we do is that anyone who buys a home or make a legal operation will benefit from a lower tax rate.
P. Would you sell Telemadrid?
R. If there was a good deal, of course you do. But do not know anyone interested.
P. Telemadrid The CEO has been charged with breach of trust, influence peddling and embezzlement.
R. It has merely to comply fully with negotiating with unions facing the ERE. There has been no agreement and the High Court of Justice of Madrid and has failed in this regard.
P. It ruled that it was unfair dismissal. From having been declared void, would have forced to reinstate 829 workers.
R. What it says is that the failure Telemadrid ERE is inappropriate, but not null. So, understand that the reasons given by Telemadrid justify that ERE and termination of those contracts, but understand that there is to offer more money, more days, persons to whom the contract has been terminated. We have negotiated all this time with representatives of workers Telemadrid, we offered the possibility of paying more days per year, more people relocate and unions consistently refused to accept it. They went to court, and what he said is that justice is not null ERE.
"If the state wants to relax the deficit, which is at their expense, not ours"
P. Telemadrid has been in debt for successive governments of the Partido Popular.
R. We are responsible for our decisions, but Telemadrid debt is mainly due to the brutal decline of advertising revenues. I know of no medium has been free of an ERE, and more with such a fall of advertising and the explosion of television channels, with 40 or more. Telemadrid had a workforce of 1,100 employees to manage a channel and through television. Antena 3 and Telecinco has 700, 1000. It was not reasonable.
P. Few managers have fallen.
R. The application of ERE has been done taking into account the criteria of labor legislation and the dimensions of the template. We have studied the different sectors of the company and that has been ratified by the court. Reducing structure is consistent with maintaining viability.
P. Las Vegas Sands has not yet delivered their project so they can summon Eurovegas macrocasino contest.
R. Still have not presented, we look to do so, they are issues that are watching and I hope you can close in a short time, and we formally present the project in the near future.
P. They had dated since April for the contest.
R. We have not set a date, what we said is that we would like to be able to develop procedures in a series of dates in order to reach as soon as break ground and begin construction. We did the calculation from estimates of what we would like, but it is more than a forecast of objectives that we would like to meet. The important thing is to close as soon as the presentation of the project, the notice of competition and resolution of the same. The forecast is that it could lay the foundation stone at the end of the year, let's see if we can get to that term. The important thing in any case is that we have awarded this project as soon as possible and to consolidate such a major investment for the coming years.
P. Do you envisage that the project is not done?
R. No, we're fighting because this project is done and I am convinced that it will and it will carry.
P. Have been shielded with an amendment to the law passed in December regarding the number of casinos to build.
R. Establish safeguards to ensure that the investment is made and that deadlines are met.
P. Would you like to return justice powers to the central government?
R. The regions only have competencies in materials media justice. That is, provide courts and media such as chairs, tables, computers, telephones, etc.. But in the judiciary have no competition. When you have competition in a matter as important as justice, and that the definition of plant, judged rightful justice those responsible, I think it makes all the sense in the world is to be associated media ownership competition. That is the rational and reasonable to make better use of the resources you have. But communities have competition only in the material, in all. We have no competence in justice fund. The defenders are not ours, another thing is to pay the legal aid activity. But we are just mere payers.
P. He says the media must be linked to competencies. With no skills, would you like to return the media?
"Telemadrid would sell if you got a good deal. But there "
R. It seems more reasonable that all that is decided in one place because it allows better use of resources and make more efficient scheduling.
P. Local Reform nobody likes. It requires a series of cuts in the state washes its hands.
R. Have aspects that do not satisfy local corporations or communities. This initial draft was done with all the good will but far removed from local realities. We need to change the current structure of a form as possible. Making maintainable services. That happens by providing the financial means with which these services are currently provided. If the aim is that, automatically, which is now being paid by an administration move to another without funding, is clearly not going to be able to perform and we will not be able to provide. In the event that would apply literally some of the things that have appeared there, the Community would have to assume some expenses beyond the 1,100 additional million can not fund. Local reform must be accompanied by the necessary funding.
P. To apply as it now stands, the political damage would be for communities. For you.
R. I do not wear political worries, I worry that there are a number of services that are being provided to the citizens and to continue providing have to be paid. No money, can not be provided, but we have to safeguard as much as possible.
P. Do you think the national PP mistreats Madrid?
R. No, what is fatal to Madrid is unfair funding model imposed by Night and treachery in a pact with the tripartite [Catalan] and then imposed on the Council of Fiscal and Financial. Everyone knows that the Madrid, Spain and the Government and therefore must be replaced.
P. Will you be a candidate in the elections of 2015?
R. I do not know if we hope that date is.
P. Will you have to wait for those six months before the election, which his party made a survey with five potential candidates who could better result, or not have to wait that long?
R. It was not until the deadlines are always to determine who the candidates in each case.
P. Barrunta The scenario is that the People's Party lost the majority.
R. Is that who you Barrunta? I imagine there will be someone who wants it, but it's something that I look. I hope that the Popular Party again be a favorite of the locals.
P. What is your relationship with UPyD?
R. Good, I generally try to have a good relationship with all groups. It is true that the relationship with the Socialist Party in Madrid, especially with some of its leaders, is really complex. But not for me. I think it's fairly widespread.
P. Do you get along better with Izquierda Unida with the PSOE?
R. It is much easier dialogue with the United Left PSOE.
P. Does it contemplate, in case you need the support of another formation, a coalition government with UPyD?
R. I do not make future events, I hope the PP again be the favorite party of Madrid. This was the question should make the leader of the Socialists in Madrid, that because Mr. Velasco [magenta spokesman in the Assembly] has maintained a favorable position to us, for example in the direction of reforming the current structure of the Community of Madrid, as says we have a government pact. I have nothing. I hope that the Popular Party win elections again. With an absolute majority.
P. How is your relationship with Ana Botella and Esperanza Aguirre?
R. Fantastic.
P. With the two?
R. Yes.
P. Same??
"Madrid has five points less fiscal pressure Catalonia, and we raised over $ 700 million less than a million inhabitants"
R. Man, I have much more to do with Esperanza Aguirre for many more years with Ana Botella. Hope and I have worked together 25 years, the relationship we have is far beyond a professional relationship and politics. It is a personal relationship and friendship of many years that is above all this. Hope is that I know her lifetime. A Ana Botella also know her for years but I've had less relationship, per is good.
P. Beyond the relationship, how management assesses the bottle in the city of Madrid?
R. I understand that proper management, which is fine, except for the problem of the incident, outrage or as we like to call the Madrid Arena, a result of the performance of the organizing company unpresentable. Clearly that has caused a significant deterioration in what was the management so far. From there, I think the council management was successful, it is acting to get to the bottom of the responsibilities, know what happened. There are a businessman who committed the atrocity of selling twice entries allowed by the capacity, and that caused a crush of people who ended up killing five young. Saving this very terrible, the bottle is good management.
P. Who would you like to be a candidate for the City Council?
R. I have no preference for one, when the time comes we'll see.
P. Can you imagine to Aguirre as mayor?
R. Imagine is free, but we are not in that attitude.
P. If the PP Madrid loses, he loses the country? That's the motto.
R. No gain in the City, you can win in the Community. It is much more difficult, but not impossible. But I hope you will also win an absolute majority.
P. For more than two months have not returned to hold a steering committee of the PP in Madrid, following criticism they met privately to management Aguirre Bottle, Maria Dolores de Cospedal by Barcenas and Ana Mato case .
R. Madrid's Popular Party does steering committees subsequent press conference, but it comes together.
P. With the same number of components?
R. Yes, the last yesterday [on Wednesday].
P. Do you tend towards a fragmentation of parties, seeing the disappointment with bipartisanship?
R. To me what I find is that it is very important to have strong national parties with a view of the State, to ensure the stability of institutions and the great principles that the state has to respond. There are basic things that should be above the political debate, and I also believe they have to secure these great national parties. This gives stability to the country and it's good. If we are facing a totally atomized system of representation which is very hard to get you the overview of the country's interests, and that makes each one will put the interests, will have a very negative impact when power managing public. Now the citizens will have to evaluate which system they want and if they want a stable government, a strong political parties, a national project stronger. Or if you want to get into a dynamic of atomization leading to instability.
P. They propose dividing Madrid in 43 constituencies in which they choose directly to a third of the regional deputies.
R. We want to bring the decision of the voters to the electoral lists and candidates to have more discretion in deciding, feel closer to their representatives and to know them better and require closer engagement. I find it surprising that the opposition says this is a trick and that affects the democratic representation. Whatever the delivery system, direct, indirect, through constituencies or closed list, it is the citizens who elect them. It seems that the opposition is afraid that there is a closer election system, transparent and forthcoming. You might not like to be aware of both.
P. Also supports reducing the regional parliament to 65 seats.
R. Not only do I support, but my group has presented an initiative [UPyD previously proposed] to do. No sense what is going on, the Assembly is growing exponentially as the population has grown. No limit and now we have 129 seats, in a community uniprovincial, six and a half million inhabitants. United States has 100 senators to 380 million citizens, and do not think anyone can say they do not feel represented. It seems, therefore, that makes no sense. We must streamline these structures too, which is something we ask citizens. It has 65 seats is more than enough to represent six million and a half of Madrid.
P. Another criticism that his Government makes it Caritas who makes the selection of the people affected by the evictions to access the IVIMA thousand homes that have been made available. Is it logical that such a decision is taken by an NGO?
R. We have years and years and years working with NGOs, especially with Caritas and the Red Cross, which are probably the two most accredited NGOs of our country. They've been doing social work for the poor for years and years and years. What is surprising is that it calls into question their work, something surreal, but it also intends to disqualify the job saying it's charity. As if the charity was a bad thing! I fall face the embarrassment of wanting to discredit the work of these NGOs so important that they make a priceless work for thousands and thousands of people with many needs. I would encourage those who think like you to tell the thousands of people who are helped by Caritas, Red Cross and other NGOs many mirasen them as they like to say, in the eyes and tell them that's charity.
"I am in favor of an Assembly with 65 seats instead of 129"
P. Expropriate? Homes to banks, as approved by the Board of Andalusia?
R. I think a measure unenforceable, that creates legal uncertainty brutal and it does not solve the problem. What is surprising is that the Andalusian has 5,000 empty homes before their intended use expropriate others. It is to question the right to property. The legal uncertainty created is very wide. In addition, they should explain why until three days ago were still signing evictions.
P. Do you understand the protests of pensioners affected by Bankia preferred?
R. It is acting to correct the things that have gone wrong with these people who feel cheated by financial institutions. Note that the preferential subscription was made between 2007 and 2009, ie under the Zapatero government. Second, control of financial institutions it was for the Bank of Spain and the Ministry of Economy, Mr. [Miguel Angel] Fernández Ordoñez and economic vice then. These institutions and the National Stock Exchange, chaired by Mr. [July] Safe and marketed by Mr. Zapatero, who corresponded monitor was that financial products are issued with all rigor and warranty conditions for users. Government Nobody said anything, nobody said anything the CNMV and Bank of Spain nobody said anything.
P. The autonomous communities wash her hands.
R. The autonomous communities have not had any control nor have we ever had on financial institutions. We could not have acted in this way or had any competition. Moreover, in the case of Bankia, at that time was Caja Madrid. Bankia also right now is a bank involved, is the state. That said, we have been in contact with the government, because there are 180,000 affected by the preferred Madrid, and we care about your situation.
P. What do you have done about it?
R. I talked to the government to see what measures would be taken. The Government has already launched, in the case of Bankia, measures to deal with the demands of preferentistas. They have been given time to go to claim Bankia, in principle there are discounts on subscription, which are not inconsistent with the fact that the citizens who are affected can request arbitration, I hope, as far as possible , is resolved in favor of the preferentistas and can thus recover their money.
P. Why no director of Caja Madrid, several PP said anything? Something would.
R. I know, but who has to supervise financial institutions and financial products are the organs of control and regulation. And those are the CNMV, the Bank of Spain and the ministry. Corresponded They have controlled that emissions rights respected subscribers. Now it seems that these guys are gone scot-free. What you have to do is explain why at the time approved, authorized and supervised these emissions and warned anyone anything.
P. The opposition reproaches not debated in the Assembly on his penthouse in Marbella.
R. What you can do is instrumentalized so tortuous a matter that has nothing to do with politics to injure or attempt to injure the reputation of a person or distort the political debate. It is unacceptable and reflects that the opposition has no alternative project is only in personal attacks. Think enfangando public life will draw revenue. I was a tenant of a house in Marbella I rented a few years ago, for which I paid an income as publicly credited. I have made public all payments and I have nothing to hide. As I said, my intention was to buy that house and so I did.
P. How do you pay?
R. I bought it with my wife and I 80% to 20% after my wife compensation received by the ERE in the company where he had worked a lifetime. I entered into this purchase, I've done my writings, I have asked my credit, and I do not know why it has to be part of any political debate that has acquired a property that I rented for a few years. We had the opportunity to buy it, we liked, and we made that decision. From there, I think that is not part of the public debate. This comes from an illegal police investigation and credited the interior minister and the director general of police in Parliament.
P. Who would want to harm allegedly?
R. Someone, it seems that within the police and illegally, ordered an investigation. And do not figured anything. I ask for clarification where does that research and identify responsibilities. Here the question is who did it and why. Someone tried to justify on the basis that in the Gürtel case, due to the purchase of a plot in Arganda by a builder, I presumably would have received a commission. The Gürtel case is learned, not under a gag order, is public and everyone knows it. I do not appear. All this is part of an assembly, a strategy of harassment by someone who has not proven to be so, but the opposite.
P. Does not it have been worth it to leave that apartment and rented another?
R. About this we review each whatever we want, whether it was more or less appropriate, but again, had the opportunity to buy this house at this time and in the few years that we had rented. I do not understand what is the issue. I have publicly credited all, no one has proven anything he allegedly wanted to charge me.
0 件のコメント:
コメントを投稿